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Among all of the political disputes bereft of reasonable voices, abortion has to be the most conspicuous. There are two common arguments aired, one to each side, and neither are particularly alluring. The pro-life crowd deplores infanticide, while the pro-choice side deplores the invasion of privacy. Now, if both sides wielded true arguments, pro-life would win. How can one argue privacy when privacy is being applied to allow a woman to commit infanticide?

However, abortion is not infanticide, yet an insufficient number of pundits explain why.

The question isn't where life begins, but where biologically independent life begins.

 

The gestation of a fetus is a unique biological progression, yet one that completely lacks fetal independence. Sustenance is not only tied to, but inextricable from, the sustenance of the mother. Most importantly, the regulation of fetal health requires the direct coercion of a mother's body.

The fetus may be life, but it is certainly not independent life, and for that reason the right of termination justly belongs to the mother. If we were to offer the fetus full legal protection, what would be our rules? First, we would ensure that it had sufficient and healthy food. Second, we would ensure that it lacked pollutants such as tobacco, alcohol, or narcotics. Third, we would ensure that it was not subjected to physical damage.

Then, our method of enforcement would require the direct and complete control and supervision of the mother's body. It is dissimilar to cases of child abuse, where an independent child can be removed from irresponsible parents. In the case of pregnancy, the control of the mother's body must occur for the fetus to be protected, simply because the two are biologically inseparable.

Unlike the elderly and other dependents, the fetal situation is not of a quasi-competent human needing volunteer assistance. Rather, it is of a life within a life, with no basis for distinction or regulation without direct imposition on the mother's reproductive processes. As the fetus lives, so does the mother live. This important distinction explains how decisions regarding the fetus are legally the decision of the mother with her body.

Beyond this, the pro-life argument is often theological. The establishment clause of the First Amendment implies that legislation should not reflect the doctrines of evangelical Christianity.

There are also miscellaneous arguments screamed illogically by others. "I regret my abortion," pro-life women tell us. So what? Your "regret" does not constitute a probative legal opposition to the right to an abortion. Does a Hollywood activist's "regret" of President Bush's tax cut render the 38% upper tax bracket immoral? Does my "regret" of Maureen Dowd's newspaper syndication give cause for her censorship?

There is also a misunderstanding regarding the pro-life position. Abortion-rights supporters are content to call them "anti-choice," which is a pejorative infinitely more benign than the pro-life belief that pro-choice individuals are not just complicit in, but supportive of infanticide. As long as we refuse to seek common ground in natural law with this dispute, the urgency and fanaticism of the pro-life lobby will continue.

The Prometheus Institute hereby resolves to serve in a position heretofore unseen: a reasoned pro-choice supporter.

 

 

 

The above work is the opinion of the Prometheus Institute.
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Peter said:

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This argument at least acknowledges that the fetus is a unique life involved in a unique situation. But in acknowledging that the fetus is a "life within a life," we have acknowledged that it is a separate individual life that will be aborted. I do not deny that the relationship between mother and fetus is unique. It does indeed require a level of dependence not seen in any other. In fact, I can think of no other situation in which your term "biologically independent" could be employed.
But on this basis of the fetus's unique dependence, you have concluded that it is acceptable to intentionally end it's unique life. I do not buy the argument that someone's level of dependence ("biological" or otherwise) should dictate whether it is ethical to end their life.
This is a completely subjective judgment of another human's value. "Biologically dependent life has no rights." "Jews have no rights." "Blacks have no rights." How is any subjective value judgment more right or wrong than another here. Instead, I would propose that all life has inherent value worth protecting, regardless of religion, race, or even dependence (biological or otherwise). If you can "logically" conclude that the fetus's unique dependence makes it unworthy of rights, I could argue that someone's unique race makes them equally unworthy. That is, either all life has a right to life, or only some does.
 
January 24, 2009
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I am Emily A said:

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In regards to the statement about direct coercion of the mother's body, do we not have to the same issues with suicide attempts? If a person attempts and fails suicide, do we not force them to remain alive, often against their wishes? It is the law that any person attempting to end their own life or the life of another is subject to consequences. You cannot have a legislation which allows a pregnant woman's murderer to be charged with double homicide but allows a woman to kill the fetus herself. It is not as if the child was placed there with no action on the part of the woman, nor as if there are not prior actions that can be taken to prevent unwanted pregnancy.

Rapes are only 1% of the total annual abortion count according to the Guttmacher Institute, so there are certainly not over a million abortions happening yearly due to a massive number of rapes, nor incest, nor threat to the mother, which make up another mere 1 and 3% of all cases.

As for dependence, is not a baby, (protected by law against being murdered once it is born,) dependent on its mother for years? There is no way a child could survive without adult care until the ages of five or six at the very least, having no protection from the elements, no way of attaining sustenance and no protection from the dangers inherent to its surroundings. It is fallacy and idiocy to claim that an infant is a biologically independent life while a fetus is not.

I do not claim that all abortion/pro-choice people are evil or supportive of infanticide, but I do believe the act itself is an abomination. We do not claim that a mother has to have anything to do with a child after it is born, and if adoption is too painful, the mother should be able to request to not be shown the infant after its birth so that no connection occurs.

It is true that a large quantity of pro-life people are also Christian and are fighting a theological battle on the same front as the abortion issue, but that is irrelevant. There are many other approaches and arguments for the pro-life side that have nothing to do with religious belief. In the same way that evangelical Christianity should not be allowed to be the sole deciding factor of passing legislation, neither should the anti-religious be allowed to condemn a cause merely for the people fighting for it.

There are many women and even some men who say that they regret their abortions. No, there is nothing legal or illegal about regret, but trying to save other people from a pain that one has already experienced should be seen as a kindness, not a stupidity. If the government can only pass laws for the sake of proper legislative procedure, then why pass them at all? Are not the laws of the United States supposed to enable people to the rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"?

More importantly, a right to privacy is not written into our constitution, but a right to life is. If you admit that the fetus is life, in any form, then there are no grounds for it to be terminated, save for in the combined 5% that includes rape, incest and threat to the life of the mother. That was the law for the time before abortion was legalized, and if it were to be made illegal again, those exceptional cases would remain legal as they were before.

There is no logical or legal reason we should be able to have abortions on demand.
 
March 20, 2009 | url
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Sarah said:

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The decision has already been made concerning "protecting" the fetus by monitoring the mother; it has been made in the homes of the children. Secondary smoke harms children, but it is certainly not illegal to smoke around children. Parents are legally allowed to offer their children alcohol. There's not *enough* difference when the child is in the mother's womb as when the child is out. Her rights to smoke and drink won't be taken away, though she *should* care for the child and try to ensure the child's healthy development. We don't enforce health in any situation. We just protect one from attacking another violently. And, laws protect people from some harmful chemicals.
 
July 19, 2009
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Cat said:

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Abortion after a rape has nothing to do with punishment. No one is calling a resulting conception a criminal. It’s simply about the conflict of rights. In the case of rape just about everyone clearly agrees that a human being’s right to consent is far greater than rapists right to do as they please. The problem with abortion is that we can not, with the information that is currently available to us, come to a consensus as to which right supersedes which between a woman and a fetus.

Personally my thought is that human life does not start at conception, only the potential for human life starts at conception; and an already existing human's rights supersede those of a potential human's rights. That's really what the argument is hinged on. The potential of human life. Abortion should be rare, but not illegal. Abortion should be heavily regulated, but not illegal. I would personally not want an abortion when adoption is such a viable option, but I do see rare instances where it is the best outcome to a situation, and in those situations, I believe it should absolutely be available.

That’s just my opinion. We could debate this in circles for a long time, and keep coming back to our own personal definitions of when life begins. We’d get no where. Agree to disagree. My real issue with your post, was the bit about safety issues.

It is anything but illogical to say that legalizing abortion will make the process safer. The technology you speak of costs money and the equipment is specially made for direct order from legitimate sources. An illegal clinic isn't going to have they type of funding, paperwork, nor incentive to have properly functioning up to date equipment. As for antibiotics, you can't just walk into a pharmacy and buy them. They require a prescription.

If it's logical to say that driving a delicate medical procedure underground wouldn't be harmful, why don't you go have your next medical procedure done in a rented hotel room with bootleg equipment instead of a sterile regulated hospital environment?
 
November 08, 2009
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Kat said:

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I agree with Britt. Although you would need more facts. I understand what you are saying but, it is extremely one-sided.
 
November 09, 2009
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Gotta love the extremist pro-life bias. These are some counter-arguments that you can read over and ponder. They aren't the best but hopefully it will help you see the other side of the story.

"If a teenage girl gets pregnant, then she should go to a special school, or face the crowds. If she didn't have enough common sense to use birth control, a condom, or ABSTINENCE, then she should deal with it."

Sending people to "special schools" sounds a lot like the racial segregation of the '50s. Should pregnant women have specified drinking fountains too?

"If she didn't have enough common sense to use birth control, a condom, or ABSTINENCE, then she should deal with it."
'They had it coming' is not a viable argument.

"Medical textbooks consistently agree that life begins at conception, when the sperm penetrates the egg and all the instructions for that baby's hair color, eye color, height, are set."

If I drew up the plans and "instructions" for a building to be built, is it then a building? No. Granted this isn't a great example, but it's all I could think of off the top of my head.

"The individual circumstances do not matter, ie. financially unstable, readiness. If a woman and a man had a baby, and soon they lost their jobs and became poor..."

These circumstances do not matter to you. QUALITY OF LIFE must be considered alongside LIFE.

Please reply to this with flaws or otherwise in my arguments.
 
November 22, 2009
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I Am Emily A said:

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Brit:

Thank you for your comment. The point I was trying to make with the amount of pregnancies that are rapes, etc. was not that I agree with killing a rape-induced child or even an incestuous one, but that people put so much emphasis on the slim what-if cases that it doesn't make sense, making up less than 5%. I often get the argument "what if she was raped?" but frankly I think adding an abortion to an already traumatized woman's mind/conscience is the least healthy and productive thing to do.

I have heard many people say "how would you like to have a child with the eyes of your rapist?" and "she didn't do it to herself, it's a punishment," but what I would like to know is how many of those women were actually raped themselves. How do you know that allowing a child that is as much a victim as you were to live will not give you a sense of empowerment, knowing you gave the second victim a chance at its own life choices that your rapist never gave you? There are many stories about women who were healed emotionally by raising the baby or giving it up for adoption.

Also, for incestuous babies, if there is a chance they will be handicapped, there are treatments and adoptive parents who may be willing to raise it despite that, and if they have problems with reproduction due to incestuous parentage later in life, there's always adoption and other alternatives if they want children of their own. I do agree Brit; neither of these is any excuse for murder.

On a final note, you don't know whether or not you can handle a situation until you go through it. No one wakes up saying "I'm ready for the worst life experience I can have!" If they do, they're lying to themselves. You don't know if you can until you do it.
 
January 11, 2010
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I Am Emily A said:

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BTW,

Please do not confuse my username with Emily, I am not the same person. I do not agree with her statements and I do not agree with abortions due to rape. Sorry for the possible mix up (I was replying to Brit under the assumption I was being addressed.)

Thanks
 
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kris wallace said:

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The statement above truly does contradict itself. It states that the fetus remains a part of the womans body because it cannot sustain life on its own,yet if you were to get down to the true biology of how the human body works you would know that a new born child cannot sustain life without its mother either. the mothers body was designed to nurture and sustain the life of her child through breastfeeding. i know that according to the article this would qualify as a dependent needing voluntary assistance witch would come from the mother. but if the argument is correct and the mother has the right to terminate her pregnancy then doesnt that make the fetus a dependent who needs voluntary assistance as well since the mother has the right to terminate?
 
January 19, 2010
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Jenny said:

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Hi, I thought this was a very informative article that makes some very good arguments for the pro-life stance. I wanted to share it but I am no way trying to take credit for someone else's work.


For two millennia in our Western culture, written into our constitutions, specifically protected by our laws, and deeply imprinted into the hearts of all men and women, there has existed the absolute value of honoring and protecting the right of each human to live. This has been an unalienable and unequivocal right. The only exception has been that of balancing a life for a life in certain situations or by due process of law.

Never, in modern times — except by a small group of physicians in Hitler’s Germany and by Stalin in Russia — has a price tag of economic or social use-fullness been placed on an individual human life as the price of its continued existence.
Never, in modern times — except by physicians in Hitler’s Germany — has a certain physical perfection been required as a condition necessary for the continuation of that life.
Never — since the law of paterfamilias in ancient Rome — has a major nation granted to a father or mother total dominion over the life or death of their child.
Never, in modern times, has the state granted to one citizen the absolute legal right to have another killed in order to solve their own personal, social or economic problem. And yet, if this is human life, the U.S. Supreme
Court Decision in America and permissive abortion laws in other nations do all of the above. They represent a complete about-face, a total rejection of one of the core values of Western man, and an acceptance of a new ethic in which life has only a relative value. No longer will every human have a right to live simply because he or she exists. A human will now be allowed to exist only if he measures up to certain standards of independence, physical perfection, or utilitarian usefulness to others. This is a momentous change that strikes at the root of Western civilization. It makes no difference to vaguely assume that human life is more human post-born than pre-born. What is critical is to judge it to be — or not to be — human life. By a measure of "more" or "less" human, one can easily and logically justify infanticide and euthanasia. By the measure of economic and/or social usefulness, the ghastly atrocities of Hitlerian mass murders came to be. One cannot help but be reminded of the anguished comment of a condemned Nazi judge, who said to an American judge after the Nuremberg trials, "I never knew it would come to this." The American judge answered simply, "It came to this the first time you condemned an innocent life."
 
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Answer me this? Why are pro choice groups threating CBS for running an ad during the Super Bowl about a woman that made a choice?
 
January 27, 2010
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Jonathan said:

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It is necessary to understand that if a human being's right to life is dependent on the life being independent, then we get into a slippery slope when considering people in comas, babies born with anencephaly, people after having strokes, or myself.
 
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"What about biologically dependent conjoined twins (Siamese twins)?"
 
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By the way, that was my comment:

"What about biologically dependent conjoined twins (Siamese twins)?"
 
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B.S. said:

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This argument simply widens the gap between the needy and those able to help. As a future physician and philosopher, I am completely against the taking of innocent life. By supplying the criteria for moral agency as a "biologically independent" life would then denying the moral agency of all persons dependent on the care of medical personnel as well medical machinery. By the aforementioned criteria, there is no moral difference between a human fetus and a person on a respirator and a dialysis machine.

I am uncertain as to why the author says a human fetus is not a "quasi-competent human needing volunteer assistance." Pre-mature babies are placed on life sustaining medical equipment in the exact same manner as a terminally ill adult. Furthermore, defining a feuts as a "life within life" is not a means of denying one person hood or moral agency. This is simply a method of definitional gerrymandering. By this logic, the states should abolish all fetal homicide laws, for "life within life" (to which I am implying reductio ad absurdum).

Regarding regulation. Simply because the state cannot enforce all of its laws does not mean such laws should not exist. By this logic, one ought to legalize all illegal drugs, since the amount of law enforcement, tax dollars and pure impossibility of catching all of the drug lords, home meth labs, and abused medical prescriptions are simply impossible!

I simply wish to offer you another perspective, and ask that you do what was done for you: chose life.
 
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The difference in value between a human zygote (a fertilized egg) and a newborn baby is vast. If there were a fire in an in vitro fertilization lab, and I had to choose between saving the newborn baby of my lab colleague and saving 100 human zygotes in a petri-dish, I would choose the baby. In fact, if there was no newborn baby, but there was some risk to myself from the fire, I would not be concerned with those 100 human zygotes, even knowing that someday several might be implanted in a woman's womb. I would save myself. Most people would make the same decision.

Why? Because a human zygote is not a human being, it is not a person. It carries unique human DNA, true, but so do human skin cells. Human DNA does not equal a human being: we know this. Intuitively, we understand that something "more" is required to turn a zygote into a human person. And that "more" is the contribution of an actual human being, a woman: the blood pumping from her heart, the oxygen pumping from her lungs, her very life's essence enriching the environment in which the zygote develops and then turns into embryo and then finally into fetus, a human being with the inalienable right to exist.

To say that a zygote is a human person, worthy of the same rights as a newborn infant, is to say that a woman's contribution to the process of creating a human being is not important, it's negligible. The equation, human zygote equals human being, profoundly diminishes women.

Zygotes become human beings within the womb. It's a process. Many die along the way: at least 50% never even reach the uterus. Those that survive and implant themselves in a woman's womb slowly, but surely take on more and more of the characteristics that make us human beings.

Many people will argue what qualifies us as human beings having the inalienable right to exist. For some, it's a beating human heart; for others, a functioning human brain; and yet, for others, it's the ability to survive without having to use the life support system of another human being.

I fall into that latter category. 24 weeks. That's the cutoff point. Women should be able to elect to have an abortion until the fetus is able to viably survive outside the womb. I'm pro-choice until viability. After 24 weeks, abortion should only be legal if a medical panel determines that the fetus has severe birth defects or has died; or, if a medical panel decides that continuing a pregnancy would severely threaten the life of the mother. In this latter case, if doctors can deliver the fetus vaginally or via ceasarean operation without severely endangering the mother, they should be required to do so.
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Surprise said:

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24 weeks. Pro-choice until viability. A position that balances the right to inalienable life of human beings within the womb, who are fetuses 24 weeks and older, with the right to bodily autonomy of women.

It just makes sense. This position affirms that zygotes, embryos, and early-stage fetuses do not have an inalienable right to life; it respects womens' contribution, their life's blood, the oxygen in their lungs, their very essence, to the development of human beings within the womb; it acknowledges that what makes us human beings is not simply strands of DNA and clumps of cells, but our uniquely human characteristics that develop over time in utero, in particular, our huge h**o sapien brain; and, it affirms that abortion before 24 weeks is not h**ocide. It means that women seeking abortion before 24 weeks and the medical practitioners who perform the procedure will not be convicted of murder, possibly receiving life sentences or even the death penalty for their choices.

Early abortion is wrong, it's a moral tragedy, but it's a personal choice between a woman and her doctor. Abortion after 24 weeks, except in cases when the fetus is dead or severely malformed or diseased, or the woman's life is in danger (all determined by a doctor), is far worse: it should be considered murder.

We need to do everything we can to reduce all abortions, but especially those after 24 weeks. We need to ensure that:

~free online training on educating children and teenagers about sex and responsible sexuality is available to all parents, and makes allowances for competing worldviews.
~there are options for women for whom pregnancy is not good news
~there is funding for caring group homes for pregnant girls and women with nowhere to go, and medical care for mothers-to-be and their newborn babies.
~there are real societal advantages to adopting children: significant tax cuts for those that adopt.
~abortion providers be required to offer (not force upon!) women information on the developmental stages of zygotes, embryos, and fetuses; options for group homes catering to pregnant girls and women; free or low-cost medical care for mothers-to-be and their newborns; local adoption agencies, and testimonials from sterile parents wanting children desparately; valid research from independent sources (if it exists) on the emotional, physical, and financial risks of abortion versus continuing pregnancy; and the abortion positions of various religious or ethical authorities, both pro-life and pro-choice.
 
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Surprise said:

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Oh, I forgot to add that abortion for sex-selection could be stopped with a "Pro-Choice until Viability" position: pass legislation prohibiting medical providers from revealing the sex of a fetus until after 24 weeks.
 
May 18, 2012
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Surprise said:

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This is in response to Peter above, who wrote: "If you can "logically" conclude that the fetus's unique dependence makes it unworthy of rights, I could argue that someone's unique race makes them equally unworthy. That is, either all life has a right to life, or only some does."

Peter, all societies determine what qualifies a person as a human being with the inalienable right to exist. ALL. We, in the United States decided long ago that those convicted of treason, murder, and child rape no longer qualify, and are eligible for execution. We also hold that persons living in societies engaged in war against our own are no longer human beings with an inalienable right to exist.

The zygote/embryo/early fetus's unique state of dependence before 24 weeks does matter. 1) It's a state of dependence that depends upon the life support system of an actual human being, a woman with a womb. 2) Prior to 24 weeks, the zygote/embryo/fetus has not developed sufficient uniquely human characteristics to warrant the inalienable right to life.

Pro-Choice until Viability: the only position that effectively balances a sufficiently developed fetus's inalienable right to life with the right of a woman to autonomy over her own body. A woman undergoing abortion, and particularly abortion after 24 weeks, is a moral tragedy. The State forcing a woman to give birth against her will is a moral tragedy. Only the Pro-Choice until Viability position, with strong complementary measures to reduce all abortion through sex education, support services for pregnant girls and women, and significant tax reductions for people who adopt is the real ethical choice.
 
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